Quebec City and Las Vegas

With the news coming down that only two cities actually ponied up the $10M to apply for expansion, we have to look at the very real possibility that the perceived “Westward Expansion” ain’t happening. That said, I threw together a quick map that I shared on twitter (feel free to follow me @NHLMaps), but neglected to post here. Below is that map. I’m actually pulling together some thoughts on a real solid argument for the four standalone conferences you see in this map and will post that soon(ish… newborns and blogs aren’t a good pairing it turns out).

Until then, enjoy this map:

New-Look-NHL---LVandQC

10 Responses to Quebec City and Las Vegas

  1. Chris says:

    I actually love the idea I saw suggested on SI (?) – one division that’s all 8 Canadian teams, and then divvy up the 24 US teams into 3 divisions.

  2. Joel says:

    Endless possibilities. Here is mine:

    4 Conferences, 8 Divisions

    Pacific Conference

    Division A
    – Vancouver Canucks
    – San Jose Sharks
    – Los Angeles Kings
    – Anaheim Ducks

    Division B
    – Edmonton Oilers
    – Calgary Flames
    – Las Vegas
    – Arizona Coyotes

    Central Conference

    Division C
    – Winnipeg Jets
    – Minnesota Wild
    – Colorado Avalanche
    – Dallas Stars

    Division D
    – Detroit Red Wings
    – Chicago Blackhawks
    – St. Louis Blues
    – Nashville Predators

    Atlantic Conference

    Division E
    – Ottawa Senators
    – Toronto Maple Leafs
    – Buffalo Sabres
    – Tampa Bay Lightning

    Division F
    – Quebec
    – Montreal Canadiens
    – Boston Bruins
    – Florida Panthers

    Metropolitan Conference

    Division G
    – Pittsburgh Penguins
    – Columbus Blue Jackets
    – Philadelphia Flyers
    – Carolina Hurricanes

    Division H
    – New Jersey Devils
    – New York Rangers
    – New York Islanders
    – Washington Capitals

    Regular Season

    6 Games (3 Home / 3 Away) vs. each team in division
    6 Games X 3 Teams = 18 Games

    4 Games (2 Home / 2 Away) vs. each team inside conference but outside division
    4 Games X 4 Teams = 16 Games

    2 Games (1 Home / 1 Away) vs. each team outside conference
    2 Games X 24 Teams = 48 Games

    Total = 18 Games + 16 Games + 48 Games = 82 Games

    Playoffs

    – Playoffs are best of 7.
    – Division winners in each conference are seeded 1 and 2 according to regular season points. Next 2 highest point teams in each conference regardless of division are seeded 3 and 4.
    – Round 1 = 1 seed vs. 4 seed and 2 seed vs. 3 seed
    – Round 2 = 2 winning teams in each conference in round 1 face each other
    – 4 remaining winning teams are re-seeded according to regular season points.
    – Round 3 = 1 seed vs. 4 seed and 2 seed vs. 3 seed
    – Stanley Cup Final = 2 winning teams in round 3 face each other

  3. Joel says:

    4 Conferences, 8 Divisions:

    Pacific Conference

    Division A
    – Vancouver Canucks
    – San Jose Sharks
    – Los Angeles Kings
    – Anaheim Ducks

    Division B
    – Edmonton Oilers
    – Calgary Flames
    – Las Vegas
    – Arizona Coyotes

    Central Conference

    Division C
    – Winnipeg Jets
    – Minnesota Wild
    – Colorado Avalanche
    – Dallas Stars

    Division D
    – Chicago Blackhawks
    – Columbus Blue Jackets
    – St. Louis Blues
    – Nashville Predators

    Atlantic Conference

    Division E
    – Ottawa Senators
    – Toronto Maple Leafs
    – Detroit Red Wings
    – Tampa Bay Lightning

    Division F
    – Quebec
    – Montreal Canadiens
    – Boston Bruins
    – Florida Panthers

    Metropolitan Conference

    Division G
    – Pittsburgh Penguins
    – Philadelphia Flyers
    – Washington Capitals
    – Carolina Hurricanes

    Division H
    – Buffalo Sabres
    – New Jersey Devils
    – New York Rangers
    – New York Islanders

    Regular Season:

    6 Games (3 Home / 3 Away) vs. each team in division
    6 Games X 3 Teams = 18 Games

    4 Games (2 Home / 2 Away) vs. each team inside conference but outside division
    4 Games X 4 Teams = 16 Games

    2 Games (1 Home / 1 Away) vs. each team outside conference
    2 Games X 24 Teams = 48 Games

    Total = 18 Games + 16 Games + 48 Games = 82 Games

    Playoffs:

    – Playoffs are best of 7.
    – Division winners in each conference are seeded 1 and 2 according to regular season points. Next 2 highest point teams in each conference regardless of division are seeded 3 and 4.
    – Round 1 = 1 seed vs. 4 seed and 2 seed vs. 3 seed
    – Round 2 = 2 winning teams in each conference in round 1 face each other
    – 4 remaining winning teams are re-seeded according to regular season points.
    – Round 3 = 1 seed vs. 4 seed and 2 seed vs. 3 seed
    – Stanley Cup Final = 2 winning teams in round 3 face each other

  4. Craig says:

    4 Conferences:

    Pacific Conference

    – Vancouver Canucks
    – Calgary Flames
    – Edmonton Oilers
    – San Jose Sharks
    – Los Angeles Kings
    – Anaheim Ducks
    – Arizona Coyotes
    – Las Vegas

    Central Conference

    – Colorado Avalanche
    – Minnesota Wild
    – Chicago Blackhawks
    – St. Louis Blues
    – Nashville Predators
    – Dallas Stars
    – Tampa Bay Lightning
    – Florida Panthers

    Northeastern Conference

    – Winnipeg Jets
    – Detroit Red Wings
    – Toronto Maple Leafs
    – Buffalo Sabres
    – Ottawa Senators
    – Montreal Canadiens
    – Quebec Nordiques
    – Boston Bruins

    Metropolitan Conference

    – New York Rangers
    – New York Islanders
    – New Jersey Devils
    – Washington Capitals
    – Carolina Hurricanes
    – Philadelphia Flyers
    – Pittsburgh Penguins
    – Columbus Blue Jackets

    Regular Season:

    Intra-Conference Play = 34 Games

    5 Games vs. 6 of the teams within Conference (3 Home / 2 Away or 2 Home / 3 Away)
    4 Games vs. 1 of the teams within Conference (2 Home / 2 Away) on a rotational basis each year.

    Inter-Conference Play = 48 Games

    2 Games (1 Home / 1 Away) vs. each team outside conference

    Total = 34 Games + 48 Games = 82 Games

    Playoffs:

    Wild Card Playoffs

    – Best of 3 between 4th and 5th placed team within each Conference
    – Game 1 is at 5th placed team; Games 2 & 3 are at 4th placed team

    Conference Playoffs

    – Best of 7 between top seeded team in Conference and winner of Conference Wild Card Series
    – Best of 7 between 2nd and 3rd placed teams in Conference
    then:
    – Best of 7 between winners of previous round to determine Conference Champions

    Conference Champions Playoffs

    – 4 Conference Champions are re-seeded according to regular season points accumulated during the 48 Inter-Conference games (ie. games played outside of the teams’ own Conferences)
    – Best of 7 between re-seeded Conference Champions = 1 seed vs. 4 seed and 2 seed vs. 3 seed

    Stanley Cup Final

    – Best of 7 between the 2 winners of the Conference Champions Playoffs

  5. John says:

    I have a couple Ideas that I don’t think see here… What about 2 conferences and 4 division per conference

    Here is with Seattle and Quebec, all Canadian teams in same conference, all current metro still conferenced, Chicago is not in the west :p
    Prince of Wales Conference

    Western Division
    Vancouver
    Seattle
    Edmonton
    Calgary

    South Division
    Colorado
    Dallas
    St. Louis
    Nashville

    Central Division
    Winnipeg
    Minnesota
    Chicago
    Detroit

    Eastern Division
    Quebec
    Ottawa
    Toronto
    Montreal

    Campbell Conference

    Western Division
    San Jose
    Los Angeles
    Anaheim
    Arizona

    South Division
    Tampa Bay
    Florida
    Carolina
    Washington

    Central Division
    Philadelphia
    Pittsburgh
    Columbus
    Buffalo

    Eastern Division
    New York Islanders
    New York Rangers
    New Jersey Devils
    Boston

    Then with Las Vegas…

    Prince Of Wales Conference

    Western Division
    Vancouver
    Calgary
    Edmonton
    Winnipeg

    South Division
    Colorado
    Arizona
    Dallas
    St. Louis

    Central Division
    Minnesota
    Chicago
    Detroit
    Columbus

    Eastern Division
    Toronto
    Ottawa
    Quebec
    Montreal

    Campbell Conference

    Western Division
    San Jose
    Los Angeles
    Anaheim
    Las Vegas

    South Division
    Carolina
    Nashville
    Tampa Bay
    Florida

    Central Division
    Buffalo
    Pittsburgh
    Washington
    Philadelphia

    Eastern
    New York Rangers
    New York Islanders
    New Jersey
    Boston

  6. Neither Las Vegas nor Arizona has a large enough hockey following to sustain long-term franchise success. But perhaps Las Vegas AND Arizona do!

    Expansion in the west should (eventually) go to Seattle while the Desert Southwest gets to keep its team, simply known as the Coyotes (no geographical designation), who play 20 or 21 home games in Las Vegas and 20 or 21 in Arizona. Rotate the (not necessarily sequential) 41st home game each season (…or someone wins an NHL game in their backyard at a slot machine << but really, just see that 41st game as an opportunity for geographical/promotional creativity).

    With two so-so-sized fan bases forced to savor their opportunities to be at a home game, this might just work. The percentage of attendees who actually make it to upwards of 20 games a year is probably negligible anyway (in any market), meaning little to no effect on Coyotes fans' balance of TV & in-person enjoyment of games and quite probably a positive effect on ticket sales. Lastly, since Las Vegas probably has the smaller hockey following, throw a greater share of weekend games their way to attract the getaway crowd from Arizona (I imagine that's a one-way street)…from EVERYWHERE for that matter.

    The NHL is seen as an innovative major league, and this would certainly uphold the reputation. Worth a try in my opinion.

  7. Shawn Elletson says:

    The four conferences with two divisions of four teams model works best. Scheduling 6 games each against division rivals (18 games), four games each against conference foes (16 games), and twice against the non conference opponents (48 games) provides a division rival focused schedule while still maintaining the same 82 game schedule. The first round of the playoffs will feature #2 vs #1 from opposite divisions within a conference with the winners meeting for conference championship and spot in the Stanley Cup semi finals. A wrinkle could be added that if a number 3 team has a better record than a number 2 finisher in the opposite division within their conference to take that teams spot in the first round. That would eliminate a criticisms of potentially weak divisions sending two bad teams to the playoffs. I’ve given the conferences names and went with geographic terms for division names. If alternative names are preferred, then so be it. The point is the scheduling and alignment of teams.

    Canadian Conference
    East
    Montreal Canadiens (Original Six-O6)
    Ottawa Senators
    Quebec Nordiques
    Toronto Maple Leafs (O6)
    West
    Calgary Flames
    Edmonton Oilers (WHA)
    Vancouver Canucks
    Winnipeg Jets

    Atlantic Conference
    North
    Boston Bruins (O6)
    Chicago Blackhawks (O6)
    Detroit Red Wings (O6)
    New York Rangers (O6)
    South
    Carolina Hurricanes (WHA)
    Florida Panthers
    Nashville Predators
    Tampa Bay Lightning

    Metropolitan Conference
    East
    New Jersey Devils
    New York Islanders
    Philadelphia Flyers (Second Six-S6)
    Washington Capitals
    West
    Buffalo Sabres
    Columbus Blue Jackets
    Pittsburgh Penguins (S6)
    St. Louis Blues (S6)

    Western Conference
    Central
    Colorado Avalanche (WHA)
    Dallas Stars (S6)
    Los Angeles Kings (S6)
    Minnesota Wild
    Pacific
    Anaheim Ducks
    Arizona Coyotes (WHA)
    Las Vegas Black Knights
    San Jose Sharks

    • BurkusCircus says:

      Like where this is going, but the USA could be better:

      Western Conference:
      Selanne Division:
      Anaheim, LA (E6), San Jose, Seattle*
      Roy Division:
      Arizona, Colorado, Dallas, Vegas

      Eastern Conference:
      Messier Division:
      Boston (O6), NY Islanders, NY Rangers (O6), Philadelphia (E6)
      Brind’Amour Division:
      Carolina, Florida, Tampa Bay, Washington

      Mid-Western Conference:
      Chelios Division:
      Chicago (O6), Minnesota, Nashville, St. Louis (E6)
      Lemieux Division:
      Buffalo, Columbus, Detroit (O6), Pittsburgh (E6)

      *Relocated from New Jersey
      Only major rivalries lost are MTL-BOS and PHI-PIT

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  9. Jon Doe says:

    Once the four conference champions are determined, the one from the all-star tournament winning conference should decide which team it plays.

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